Another Uninformed Comes Out of
Ah, well I figure that I can add my two
bits into this. The problems seem to be revolving around
attitude, more than anything, as far as the dubbie vs.
subbie debate. Arrogance can be had on either side.
People do not respond well to snide commentary on how
ignorant they are of something. In any event, stereotyping
a group because they've only seen the dubs is bad form,
at least. The boasting of some "subbies" about
being able to rattle off the how many people were changed
into chocolate as opposed to candies by Buu tends to
annoy the dubbies as well. It is not a question of knowledge
versus ignorance, so much as ego versus ego. People
like to consider
themselves the end-all be-all of something, and for
dubbie and subbie alike, in this case, they dont
like their cages rattled. Personally, I think that they
need to relax. Anyway, onward I go.
After hearing all of the talk about the "butchering"
of DBZ, I feel the need to point out that there is something
key that must be remembered. FUNimation did not bring
Dragonball Z over the America for the sake of those
who were already interested in it, or to pay homage
to Akira Toriyama. They brought it over as a cartoon
to be watched and consumed by American children. In
the grand tradition of many other violent head-kicking
American animated series, they are trying to cater to
their audience, in spite of what the "older"
fans may wish. This is the reason that they dubbed it,
censored it, and whittled it down to what you see today.
They had no desire to treat this as some sort of art
form, to them it is a cartoon. They altered things to
suit their audience and make it more palatable to them.
Judging from the increasing popularity of the series,
they seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, wouldn't
you say? If it werent for FUNimation, I doubt
that half of the self-proclaimed otaku watching now
would have a clue as to what Dragonball was.
The song and voice acting debates are purely based upon
personal opinion. The "subbed" crew believes
in the sanctity of the old voices, largely (I would
think), either because of their own hearing preference,
or because the original voices were the first ones that
they were exposed to. I like vanilla ice cream, that
doesn't mean that Breyer's "butchered" it
to make Fudge Ripple. It's all a matter of perspective
and personal preference.
It was argued that you are told, via the
boxes and the introduction to the show, what would happen,
and thus, everyone knows how it will end. I disagree.
The Toonami version of Dragonball Z which is shown during
the afternoons and Saturday late night has it's own
original opening sequence, which has nothing to do with
tape boxes or images of Goku going Super Saiyan. Along
that line, the average dubbie would, indeed, have no
clue about what would really happen. Of course, once
a person comes to after being involved in a show, they
know that the good guys are going to win, but the question
remains of "HOW?!" Krillin just exploded,
Piccolo's been perforated... what now?! The person who
doesn't know the ending of the story, generally, enjoys
the story more and gets more emotionally involved in
the story than the person who already knows the ending.
Some people can get involved again and again, but most
folk find themselves detached. The same reason that
you're not usually scared by the same horror movie twice.
Im gonna get a bit nitpicky on a few other things
I dont claim to know everything, but
some things I do know.
Vegeta goes Super Saiya-Jin, but doesn't have
a pure heart. He once
said, "Its pure...PURE EVIL!" Does that apply?
Does the person have to be
pure good? Can they be pure evil and go SSJ? ARGH!"
Who said you have to
have a pure heart? A boastful dubbie I bet. I sure haven't
found a record of
Toriyama saying that.
- It was written in the manga as one of those generally
accepted ideas. Toriyama probably didn't hold a press
conference about it, but he had his characters believe
it until it no longer suited his purpose, at which point
the idea of having a pure heart was cast off. Convenient,
"Why doesn't Raditz get the accolades he deserves?
He is a person in DBZ
that beat the living hell out of BOTH Piccolo and Goku,
then ends up
(inadvertently) killing Goku! Freiza couldn't kill Goku.
Cell kills Goku,
but only because Goku wants it that way (And I still
believe he could have
teleported out of there in time) and Gohan has to save
I mean, can he get a little bit more respect? He is
called a weakling and
a coward. Not so. He took on Piccolo and Goku head on
and almost won if
Gohan hadn't saved them." He's an intro character.
He's just there to show
how evil and nasty the saiyans are. He serves no other
purpose other than to
inform. Once he has done so, there's no need of him.
- In spite of his "purpose," he still accomplished
the feats that other DBZ villains were unable to. That
alone, one would think, should earn him at least a second
thought beyond "Oh that dead guy with the big hair."
"Why wasn't Raditz ever wished back to life? I'm
sure if Vegeta could
reform than Raditz could too. Also, why does Raditz
lie to Goku by saying
Planet Vegeta was hit by a comet, rather than say Freiza
blew it up? He
knew about it- Vegeta told him and Nappa!" It was
impossible to wish Raditz
back to life. He had one shot at life before the 1 year
time limit ran out.
The same time Goku was wished back to life. But he couldn't
then. The Z gang
didn't need another evil saiyan running around causing
trouble when they had
Vegeta and Nappa to deal with. After that the time limit
was up. And Raditz
told Goku that the planet Vegeta was hit by a comet
because he thought that.
Vegeta didn't learn the truth until Dadoria told him
- Actually this was more of a plot hole than anything.
Near the end of the Freiza saga, Vegeta flashes back
to Nappa telling him and Raditz both about the destruction
of their homeworld. This was in the television series,
though, Im not sure about the manga off the top
of my head.
What the hell is up with Ultra Super Saiya-Jin?
This is supposedly a
form between SSJ and SSJ 2 that only Miari Trunks and
Wouldn't it stand to reason since it is a new form that
it should be
classified as SSJ 2, bringing the count of SSJ forms
to 5? And its a form
that increases your power but decreases your speed...whatever.
I didn't see
Brolly's speed decrease when he was beating the hell
out of every DBZ
character.* Mirai Trunks and Vegeta and maybe a couple
other people go
Ultra, Ultimate, whatever. It's considered a half form
because it's not
really a complete transformation I believe. Like when
"transforms" by growing taller and getting
rid of the armor. That's not
counted as a transformation. Brolly is a movie character.
- Since it didn't really seem to pan out for Mirai Trunks,
that's probably why it got short shrift. Why bother
giving the form a step in the chain if every Saiyan
(except the aforementioned) skips over it as useless?
Besides, it wasnt used to defeat anybody, I dont
believe, in any form. When Mirai Trunks used it, Cell
had little trouble with him. SSJ was used to defeat
and later kill Frieza, SSJ 2 vaporized Cell, and SSJ
3 was doing pretty well against Buu. USSJ did nada.
"Gohan is rumored to be the most powerful person
in DBZ..that lasts until
he hits SSJ 2. Why? This is the kid that had a powerlevel
quadrupled his dad's power when he got mad! But he can't
be bothered to go
SSJ 3? School ain't that important. Is Goten and Trunks
as powerful as he
is? They hit SSJ at an early age." SSJ3 isn't all
it's cracked up to be. In
the manga you can only power up in SSJ3 if your dead.
Otherwise trying to
power up just knocks you back regular. Non-powered SSJ3
is only a little
more powerful than SSJ2.
- After Gohan's power-up, he was more powerful than
Gotenks SSJ 3, hence why Buu absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo
to boot so that he could tangle with Gohan.